I believe in taking opportunities to teach where possible. Rick, the person I helped when attacked, does not believe I was an example of a good Samaritan based on Acts 17:11. Acts 17:11 merely states that we should search the scriptures daily. I did this to Rick's plight and came up with the Good Samaritan parable. While Rick did not reason beyond Acts 17:11 I would like to take this opportunity to teach Rick and others by applying Luke 10:29-36 [The Good Samaritan] to the situation Rick had and I assisted.
Let us look at the Good Samaritan Parable:
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
So Rick, what is title of this blog posting. "Contention; How Is This Being A Good Neighbor?" It is apparent I have already searched the scriptures and come to my conclusion. Therefore your rebuke of me by Acts 17:11 is unwarrented.
Rick, Does the title of my article speak of being a good neighbor to those that are attacked by those who want to cause contention?
[Y/N]
Be Honest...
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and awounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
Rick, wasn't your character attacked? And while the wounds are not physical but against how people percieve you as a person. Understand like the Samaritan it is not in my best interest to correct those perceptions of those who oppose my religious views so harshly, yet as a good Christian I did so because of the story of the "Good Samaritan".
Understanding that the Samaritans were outsiders to most of the Jewish community. He [The Samaritan] was a Good Neighbor dispite the differences.
Rick Did I help you dispite our religious differences?
[Y/N]
Be honest...
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
Were there others that could have helped you? If so did they? There are any number of people that could have written Sharon and did not. This is not just LDS people but other loving Christian denominations who read your blog could have also attempted to confirm you were being attacked unjustly. Where were they Rick? Do you think that the person left for dead in the parable probably asked each person passing by at least twice? The number of times asked means nothing, the fact it was done does...
Rick Did I write Sharon and Help Clear your attack.
[Y/N]
Be Honest...
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
[Read comments from verse 31]
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
Did I show compassion for you Rick and do what it took to confirm your side/the truth?
[Y/N]
Be honest.
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
Did I help you take care of this situation doing all that was neccessary to resolve the issue?
[Y/N]
Be honest...
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
No Monitary value was required yet I did attempt to make a long distance phone call which I would have gladly paid.
Rick, isn't this one of the principals of the "Good Samaritan"?
[Y/N]
Be honest... >
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
So Rick, Was I the Good Neighbor?
[Y/N]
Please be honest.
Final Notes: I was not looking for acknowlegement of the good deed, I did it as I explained in my blog for the sake of honesty. It is unfortunate I am forced to defend my position to the very person I helped.
Wer62 (Ed)
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Ed, I said thanks for helping, I just dont feel that doing something such as looking into the facts means your a good samatarian. But I do think that because you and me were being pitted against each other, as you yourself stated, it was the least you could do. Otherwise I believe you might or would have non-LDS christians come on your blog and accuse you of not looking into the facts. Just my thoughts. Rick b
Rick, Just answer the questions... Be Honest...
wow ! speechless! well written! i'd say howdy good neighbor!
is waiting for rick to br honest and answer.
to be *
Hello Ed, Well I will be honest and up front with you as I believe I am always. Your not going to agree with my reply, But I also am going to share my thoughts and not go beyond this reply. I don't agree with you but also don't want to keep going on and on with this subject.
Ed you said
So Rick, what is title of this blog posting. "Contention; How Is This Being A Good Neighbor?" It is apparent I have already searched the scriptures and come to my conclusion. Therefore your rebuke of me by Acts 17:11 is unwarranted.
Rick, Does the title of my article speak of being a good neighbor to those that are attacked by those who want to cause contention?
[Y/N]
Be Honest...
Rick says : No. The title of the blog asks a question, it doesn't make a
statement.
Ed you said
Rick Did I help you despite our religious differences?
[Y/N]
Be honest...
Yes you helped, but what is your point? Atheists come to the Aid or help of people all the time, read about the help people give all the time after wars or natural disasters happen.
Ed you said
Were there others that could have helped you? If so did they? There are any number of people that could have written Sharon and did not. This is not just LDS people but other loving Christian denominations who read your blog could have also attempted to confirm you were being attacked unjustly. Where were they Rick? Do you think that the person left for dead in the parable probably asked each person passing by at least twice? The number of times asked means nothing, the fact it was done does...
Rick Did I write Sharon and Help Clear your attack.
[Y/N]
Be Honest...
Yes you wrote Sharon, but so Did I, As to who else helped me, Lets see, Sharon did, and so did the Roaming gnome, So yes Ed others did help me.
Ed you said
Did I show compassion for you Rick and do what it took to confirm your side/the truth?
[Y/N]
Be honest.
The Dictionary defines Compassion as Compassion
n 1: a deep awareness of and sympathy for another's suffering [syn: compassionateness] 2: the humane quality of understanding the suffering of others and wanting to do something about it [syn: pity]
Ed, here is the problem with your Question. Steve brought it to YOUR BLOG, So I don't know your heart and I can only assume your honest in your reply, but would you have gone out of your way to help me if it was simply on my blog and not yours? And if it was on my blog only I would not have asked you for help, so would you have played the "GOOD SAMARITAN" And came to my blog, contacted Sharon and gotten involved? I suspect you helped because your blog was being used. As I said before, if you did nothing, A Christian would have at some point would have called your honesty into question for doing nothing.
Ed you said
Did I help you take care of this situation doing all that was necessary to resolve the issue?
[Y/N]
Be honest... Read my reply Above, Did you? Who really knows what you would have done if this were not posted on your blog.
Ed, you said
No Monetary value was required yet I did attempt to make a long distance phone call which I would have gladly paid.
Rick, isn't this one of the principals of the "Good Samaritan"?
[Y/N]
Be honest... >
No Ed, the money issue is not a Principle, He used his money as a natural out flow of his love and concern.
Ed you said
So Rick, Was I the Good Neighbor?
[Y/N]
Please be honest.
My reply would be both Yes and no here,
Yes you helped me, and I did say thank you. But two others also helped me. I say no because, as I stated before, would you have gone out of your way to help me if steve left your blog out of it?
Ed said
Final Notes: I was not looking for acknowledgement of the good deed, I did it as I explained in my blog for the sake of honesty. It is unfortunate I am forced to defend my position to the very person I helped.
Ed, by saying you were not looking for acknowledgement of the good deed, you bring this Acknowledgment upon your self by pointing it out, Also you said you did it for the sake of honesty. Again I ask would you have done it if your blog were not involved? Also You said you must defend your position. Did I ask you to defend your position? Did anyone ask you to defend your position? You choose to do that. You simply could have left it at, well Rick we simply disagree.
Ed, Here is all of Romans Chapter 12 for people to read, I think this would have been a better choice of scripture to use in this case for a person who Believes they are a Christian.
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
Rom 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Rom 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, [let us prophesy] according to the proportion of faith;
Rom 12:7 Or ministry, [let us wait] on [our] ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
Rom 12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, [let him do it] with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
Rom 12:9 [Let] love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
Rom 12:10 [Be] kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
Rom 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
Rom 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
Rom 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
Rom 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
Rom 12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
Rom 12:16 [Be] of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
Rom 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
Rick b
rick you give us christians a bad name. just to let everyone know, not all christians are this heartless or naive to thing's of God or his word. The bible is not meant to be argued but rather dicussed and talked about kindly with love and patients. i am quite sorry Ed for all this confusion with the "the good samaritan" ive read your postings as well as ricks. regardless of him contacting for help. the point is, you came through with flying colors. Ed you acted more like the christian here then rick, im quite ashamed and embarrassed by ricks behavior in all of this hoopla. all i know is that God would not have come back and bit you in your behind about this. he would have just embraced you with the love he has for us all and "compassion" he has for all of us. and lets not forget mercy. i would have quoted verses in the bible like all do. but i dont need to do so, as you as well know that bible talks about "love" compassion" and "mercy". may God bless these blogs. and may God keep all in his peace and kindness. And rick, if you feel the need to reply to this. and have a problem with what i wrote about you, know this, i am not attacking your persona. i am simply writting what i see. and if you feel to argue what i wrote about "love' compassion' and "mercy" take it up with God. as he is the one who wrote it in his book.
Ed, i posted this on ricks blog.and he deleted it right away, now i know it's not offensive because its all from the bible. if he calls it offensive, then he is calling God offensive. those are Gods words in the bible. may i post it here? and it's not off topic as it talks about they neighbor.
Exodus 20
God Gives His People the Ten Commandments
1 Here are all of the words God spoke. He said,
2 "I am the Lord your God. I brought you out of Egypt. That is the land where you were slaves.
3 "Do not put any other gods in place of me.
4 "Do not make statues of gods that look like anything in the sky or on the earth or in the waters. 5 Do not bow down to them or worship them. I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God. I punish the children for the sin of their parents. I punish the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of those who hate me. 6 But for all time to come I show love to all those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 "Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God. The Lord will find guilty anyone who misuses his name.
8 "Remember to keep the Sabbath day holy. 9 Do all of your work in six days. 10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath in honor of the Lord your God. Do not do any work on that day. The same command applies to your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, and your animals. It also applies to any outsiders who live in your cities. 11 In six days I made the heavens and the earth. I made the oceans and everything in them. But I rested on the seventh day. So I blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 "Honor your father and mother. Then you will live a long time in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
13 "Do not commit murder.
14 "Do not commit adultery.
15 "Do not steal.
16 "Do not give false witness against your neighbor.
Ed i meant to write my name not Anonymous . in the last post. and rick is claiming i am all these different people. i think he is just paranoid now. i am simply responding to your posting here about being a good neighbor. nothing offensive as i stated before. all scripture from the bible itself. i admit i was wrong to put 'yada, yada, yada". for that i am sorry. both to you and rick.i should have just put my name mindy.
mindy said...
rick i have not read yet your answer to sheepdog on how God called you. did he do it in this manner?
1 Samuel 3
The Lord Calls Out to Samuel
1 The boy Samuel served the Lord under the direction of Eli. In those days the Lord didn't give many messages to his people. He didn't give them many visions.
2 One night Eli was lying down in his usual place. His eyes were becoming so weak he couldn't see very well. 3 Samuel was lying down in the Lord's house. That's where the ark of God was kept. The lamp of God was still burning. 4 The Lord called out to Samuel.
Samuel answered, "Here I am." 5 He ran over to Eli. He said, "Here I am. You called out to me."
But Eli said, "I didn't call you. Go back and lie down." So he went and lay down.
6 Again the Lord called out, "Samuel!" Samuel got up and went to Eli. He said, "Here I am. You called out to me."
"My son," Eli said, "I didn't call you. Go back and lie down."
7 Samuel didn't know the Lord yet. That's because the Lord still hadn't given him a message.
8 The Lord called out to Samuel for the third time. Samuel got up and went to Eli. He said, "Here I am. You called out to me."
Then Eli realized that the Lord was calling the boy. 9 So Eli told Samuel, "Go and lie down. If someone calls out to you again, say, 'Speak, Lord. I'm listening.' " So Samuel went and lay down in his place.
10 The Lord came and stood there. He called out, just as he had done the other times. He said, "Samuel! Samuel!"
Then Samuel replied, "Speak. I'm listening."
11 The Lord said to Samuel, "Pay attention! I am about to do something terrible in Israel. It will make the ears of everyone who hears about it ring.
12 "At that time I will do everything to Eli and his family that I said I would. I will finish what I have started. 13 I told Eli I would punish his family forever. He knew his sons were sinning. He knew they were making fun of me. In spite of that, he failed to stop them.
14 "So I took an oath and made a promise to the family of Eli. I said, 'The sins of Eli's family will never be paid for by bringing sacrifices or offerings.' "
15 Samuel lay down until morning. Then he opened the doors of the Lord's house. He was afraid to tell Eli about the vision he had received. 16 But Eli called out to him. He said, "Samuel, my son."
Samuel answered, "Here I am."
17 "What did the Lord say to you?" Eli asked. "Don't hide from me anything he told you. If you do, may God punish you greatly."
18 So Samuel told him everything. He didn't hide anything from him.
Then Eli said, "He is the Lord. Let him do what he thinks is best."
19 As Samuel grew up, the Lord was with him. He made everything Samuel said come true. 20 So all of the people of Israel recognized that Samuel really was a prophet of the Lord. Everyone from Dan all the way to Beersheba knew it.
21 The Lord continued to appear at Shiloh. There he made himself known to Samuel through the messages he gave him.
2:28 AM, July 26, 2006
mindy here again said...
i will post what i just posted on wers blog in case you delete it.
2:30 AM, July 26, 2006
Mindy, I deleted your post on my blog, because when you posted it, you did not state in anyway how it applied to the topic, you did not ask any questions or answer any questions.
I am not offended by the Scripture, but when you simply post a verse or a book of scripture with no reason why or how it applies then I don't know what your getting at.
Ed, when you asked me why I deleted your reply. It appered to my, it was an invite TO ME, not open to everyone to come to your blog for a certain topic. So I simply thought if it was just an invite for me, I would see it, come here and go from their. That was why. Rick b
rick, it's quite sad that i have explain myself to you, if you read the scriptures then you would have known it applied to the question that sheepdog was asking you, and the other scripture was talking about the compassion and mercy you had commented on to wer62. tell me where i was off topic? or did it not suit you to your benefit? or you just simply dont understand the scripture? because i was not off topic. and for you to have deleted it tells me you just do not agree with Gods words. and tells me your acting childish about all of this rather then act like an adult and a christian. set an example rick! you always seem to be quick to anger about discussions. i would put a scripture out about this. but you might ask wer62 to delete it. but i know Ed, has common sense not to do so, as i am only stating what the bible says. not attacking anyone.just a nice discussion. i have Gods love for you, and i dont wish you ill. but you need to start practicing what the bible says.and "be a good neighbor". that's on topic and has been. lets just be civil and respectful with these blogs. and not go out of line with he said she said games. wer62 is doing his job here on his blog as well as yourself. lets have respect !!! shall we?
and rick one more thing. you said i did not write what the scripture were about or ask questions..then read on the comments i have left here. since you deleted what i wrote on your blog i copied and pasted them here. but i think im clear on why i put scripture down and for what. i also asked questions. had you not deleted it rather then read my comments , you would have known that.
Mindy, you said/asked me, tell me where i was off topic?
In reality no one has replyed ON TOPIC, Not even sheepdog, Your reply to Sheepdogs question and Wer62 Ed's question was off topic. Simply because As I said so was sheepdog. I alowed hers to stay, but over all Ed's topic is here on his blog not mine, and that is why I said you were off topic. Rick b
rick b said...
Mindy, you said/asked me, tell me where i was off topic?
In reality no one has replyed ON TOPIC, Not even sheepdog, Your reply to Sheepdogs question and Wer62 Ed's question was off topic. Simply because As I said so was sheepdog. I alowed hers to stay, but over all Ed's topic is here on his blog not mine, and that is why I said you were off topic. Rick b
7:17 PM
Rick i posted on your blog on topic!!!! you deleted it. therefore i posted here. on topic about wer62 topic. and on yours about yours. do you know how to read? do you understand what the words mean? you are worrying me rick. it's a in writting. why question it? there is nothing to question.
Ed, im not using you for your blog to post for others here. i honestly like your blog. i must admit i dont know much about mormons i have a few friends that are, but we respect each others beliefs. we do discuss things that we have questioned , but we have remained the best of friends! i am pentacostal and my beliefs are what they are. i like the way you conduct yourself regardless how the situation may present itself at the moment. therefore, i give you my respect. and please, if i seem out of line somewhere in my comments dont hesitate to tell me. i would greatly appreciate it!
Mindy,
Thank you. I am thinking of starting a blog entry for Ricks Deleted Comments. I have not figured out what to call it yet. Do you have any ideas?
Since deletion of comment entries seems to happen alot on Rick's blog I can provide a repository for that with some rules attached. Look for it this weekend.
As for your beliefs as a Pentacostal, I can appriciate everyones perspective, (even Rick's). I am sure we can have some wonderful conversations. I am looking forward to it.
Thanks again,
Wer62 (Ed)
Yes i do have an idea, i am honerd you have asked. how about " worth reading comments" ? im sure we will come up with something bright :) and yes, i am looking forward to having nice appreciated discussion. thank you for listening Ed.
honored *
mindy said...
rick, it's quite sad that i have explain myself to you, if you read the scriptures then you would have known it applied to the question that sheepdog was asking you, and the other scripture was talking about the compassion and mercy you had commented on to wer62. tell me where i was off topic? or did it not suit you to your benefit? or you just simply dont understand the scripture? because i was not off topic. and for you to have deleted it tells me you just do not agree with Gods words. and tells me your acting childish about all of this rather then act like an adult and a christian. set an example rick! but i know Ed, has common sense not to do so, as i am only stating what the bible says. not attacking anyone.just a nice discussion. i have Gods love for you, and i dont wish you ill. but you need to start practicing what the bible says.and "be a good neighbor". that's on topic and has been.
mindy u are a hyporicte, u bring a bad name to the christians. u get mad a rick for removing replys he said he did not understand. u said the scripture u posted was about love and mercy, i see no love or mercy being given by u, u go on about being a good neighbor, read your bible, jesus said love your eneinmys, if you feel rick is an emenmy love him, what about james saying if you turn the sinner from the error of his ways. i see no attempt at turning rick from the error of his ways, if he is indded in error.
and you could have been kind enough to ask or say i am sorry if i reply with added information to help people better understand can i repost, no instead you go off on rick. how sad, no grace or love from you at all. then you talk about acting childish about all of this rather then act like an adult and a christian. set an example rick! u are the one that needs to set the example mindy!
then you say but i know Ed, has common sense not to do so, as i am only stating what the bible says. to say ed has commen sence implys rick does not, how is this loving. then you saynot attacking anyone.just a nice discussion. i have Gods love for you, and i dont wish you ill. but you need to start practicing what the bible says.and "be a good neighbor". you did attack rick it was not a nice discussion you not being a good neighbor
mindy u said
lets just be civil and respectful with these blogs. and not go out of line with he said she said games. wer62 is doing his job here on his blog as well as yourself. lets have respect !!! shall we?
where is your respect
then you said
mindy said...
and rick one more thing. you said i did not write what the scripture were about or ask questions..then read on the comments i have left here. since you deleted what i wrote on your blog i copied and pasted them here. but i think im clear on why i put scripture down and for what. i also asked questions. had you not deleted it rather then read my comments , you would have known that.
again u attack rick here by what u said about him. you then side with a mormon against rick to name a topic about him, your not a good believer u hypocrite
Kenny Stated:
again u attack rick here by what u said about him. you then side with a mormon against rick to name a topic about him,
Wer62 Replies
Kenny.. It sounds as if you HATE those that are members of the "Chnurch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and those that defend them. Since we are calling a spade a spade, Let us examine why I wrote the Posting that you said is against Rick. 1st it is a teaching opportunity, 2nd Rick attacked me first after I helped him. Somthing that those that Hate Mormons seem to leave out of the argument. So concerning the status of being a hypocrite those that live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Wer62
ed did u read what i wrote. it was to mindy not u, i took issue with here not u.
Kenny Asks:
ed did u read what i wrote. it was to mindy not u, i took issue with here not u.
Wer62 Says
Yes, Kenny I read what you wrote.. It is possible I have misunderstood.. Please explain (briefly) how I am not involved by what you wrote?
i.e. your quote:
** "you then side with a mormon against rick to name a topic about him." **
Question: Isn't this speaking of me.. I am a "Mormon" who happens to agree with Mindy.. I did start a topic that concerns Rick, (it doesn't contain his name but the thread exists)
It is possible I misunderstood not knowing all the players from the other site. Please explain it to me.. Thanks
Wer62
Ed, sorry i have not been on. i have my mother ill, and i don't care what christians say about mormons or any other religions or belief's. im glad i have you as a friend! thank you
"kenny" i was never mad, clearly i was confused as to why rick deleted my comments. they were on topic with scriptures. and if commented back to rick is because he deleted comments for no reason. i was never mad. but for you to call me hyprocrite is beyond me. i still love you in the lord. call me what you may it shall not hurt me. and calling me a hyprocrite because i am friends with Ed. will i wont even dignify that with an answer, it's ludacris if i did.!
and futher more "kenny" if you have a problem with what i wrote to rick about the scriptures. take it up with God.
Ed on a different note, i will be gone for 3 day's. but i should be back on by tuesday. im on my way out now. Blessing's
I think that it is time to be respectful again. I feel that most people on this topic have gone out of their way to attack each other. I don't care who started it.
Will those who say that they are Christians please calm down and be respectful. What wasted efforts. All this time discussing things that don't have much kingdom value.
Time to be Christ Followers!
OK, for those of you catching up, or for those of you short on details, I'm listing out the progression of this issue, and my take on them, feel free to respond. I'm honestly looking forward to this horrible debate ending suddenly.
It will be posted on Rick's blog at mormonismreviewed.blogspot.com and my own blog at the-roaming-gnome.blogspot.com.
1. A person took on Rick's persona and said things contradictory to Rick's beliefs.
2. It was said that Ed came to help Rick by rebuking the same person. Further, it was stated that Ed was the Good Samaritan as in the Parable of the Good Samaritan in doing this deed.
3. In Rick challenging the statement, Ed posted a breakdown of the parable and his perception of how he fit it.
Now, here's my take on the whole fiasco.
1. I think it was improper for the person to do what he/she did. This issue has been resolved with that person.
2. I think that a lot of things were blown out of proportion. It was said that Rick and his wife were ungrateful for Ed to show his generosity. On that I think that Ed should have kept quiet and been content for the righteous (and I use "righteous" loosely) thing that he had done. I think it was arrogant of him to continue on the topic. I say this because if he really was being righteous for the Kingdom, God knows what he did and saw it, and would have received praise for it later (much more satisfying than receiving praise from any man). About Rick's abusive nature (as Ed's perception puts it), I don't believe Rick to be abusive. There is a difference between blunt and abusive, problem is the world can't tell the difference. I myself find it to be a bad thing to be called "nice". It implies that I'm lying to your face, and I don't do that. You will not find me to be "nice", but kind. My own mother can attest to me not being nice.
I have not even begun to touch all the things said on this topic across the two blogs. 1. It would be impossible. Some of the posts have been deleted, some e-mails have been thrown around, and I can't read people's minds. 2. I'm not going to. It wouldn't be fruitful, and would take up too much time.
Now, here's my challenge to the both Rick and Ed. I have an idea of what Rick would say, but for validity's sake, it would be better to post it outright. Answer these questions for me and everybody else out there:
What purpose is served in this discussion?
What good has this done anybody?
How much closer to God are you through this discussion?
Also, please answer it on all blogs!
Roaming Gnome asked these questions.
What purpose is served in this discussion?
What good has this done anybody?
How much closer to God are you through this discussion?
RG, You said also I have an idea of what Rick would say, After I answer these questions, Tell me, was I close to what you thought I would say?
Question 1. What purpose is served in this discussion?
My reply(s) 1st. I was accused of both lying and stealing anothers work. the Purposes from my point of view are these, I was showing I am not a liar and did not steal anothers work. Then they or he/she, Accused me out in the open so they needed to be rebuked in the open, just doing as the Pastor of my Church teaches. You make it public the reply becomes public.
Question 2. What good has this done anybody? It clearly proved I am not a liar or a thief.
Question 3. How much closer to God are you through this discussion?
I am closer to God by the fact I did not lie, and did as His word teaches.
2Cr 13:1 This [is] the third [time] I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
2Cr 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2Cr 13:7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates. Rick b
boy, you guy's are really desperate to get people to go read your blog's.
I just started my blog about a month ago, and I'm trying to get some sort of traffic flow to it. However, that is not the point of my post.
Hi Ed. I am back, I see the storm has calmed down ;) My mother has passed on to be with her creator. I am quite sadden, But i know she is great hand's now, And her suffering and pain are no more with her! I hope all is well with you Ed.
Ed, on your new blog section where people can post replys their, then post them some place else, I did not see how to reply under that section as of yet. Any way, I have two questions about that whole Idea.
1st question, How can you prove if someone posted something on your blog section, then claims they posted on my blog for example, but in reality they really do not, but then claim they did and I deleted it. It could happen, so your set up really wont prove a thing.
Then how does it work if they post it their in the new section, then on your blog only to have you delete it from your site? I know a family member called me, she posts under the name (BABY) She is my wifes, brothers wife. Anyway she told me she posted something on your blog only to find it was removed. Rick b
rick you are right....i forgot about that one. i did post here maybe 3 wks ago? it was just the verse john 3:16. nothing mean or rude. but i never found it on wer62 blog. i don't know why he would delete a verse.? i am hoping he did it by mistake then intentional.
I am going to address these comments in reverse order: So Rick you are first up:
[Rick States the Following:]
"Ed, on your new blog section where people can post replys their, then post them some place else, I did not see how to reply under that section as of yet. Any way, I have two questions about that whole Idea. 1st question, How can you prove if someone posted something on your blog section, then claims they posted on my blog for example, but in reality they really do not, but then claim they did and I deleted it. It could happen, so your set up really wont prove a thing."
[Wer62 Replies:]
1st, I will not create a section on this blog for that, I will create a whole new blog which is done. ""Missing Comment Repository"
To your point of what will it really prove, you're right nothing in that respect, however it will be out there for people to judge for themselves. If the comment fits it is possible that it was deleted by the author. Since you are so good at judging other people, like me you should have no problem telling the difference.
[Rick States the Following:] I know a family member called me, she posts under the name (BABY) She is my wifes, brothers wife. Anyway she told me she posted something on your blog only to find it was removed.
[Wer62 Replies:]
That is a lie, I have not deleted any comments other than the ones you requested deleted. It is not in my nature to have to delete messages. I follow the same philosophy of Hugh Nibley. You as others can stated what you think you have to as long as you give me the same previledge. We do know that you have deleted commets, you have deleted at least one of mine and others complain of the same thing. You have quoted it here "out of the mouth of 2 or more witnesses".
Wer62
Ed, in reality you cannot call me a liar, on this baby issue. either you lied and deleted it or she lied and never posted. I am only going by what I was told. rick b
Rick States:
"Ed, in reality you cannot call me a liar, on this baby issue. Either you lied and deleted it or she lied and never posted. I am only going by what I was told. rick b"
Wer62 Responds:
What is the matter Rick, do you have a guilty conscience? I never said "you lied". I said and I quote "That is a lie", phrasing it to the comment not to the person stating it. Since you took it so personal what does that say about your mental state in this issue?
Furthermore Baby is not complaining to me nor has she ever publicly or privately. You are. Not to mention you shouldn’t spread rumors or imply something about people when you are not sure the truth. Your warp twisted comment about only two choices I deleted it or she never posted it leaves out the possibility she posted it someplace other than here. I can only guess by your comment you believe your “family member” did post it here and that I deleted it or you would not have mentioned it. The other possibility is that you mare making the whole story up and your “Family Member” doesn’t exist. Since we are looking at possibilities and creating supposition lets throw that out there for others to chew on. The evidence shows in my favor since I could have deleted all of these attacks against my character and denied any possibility of your comments and I have not. I simply respond. You on the other hand have deleted at least one of my comments and it was on topic.
Since you seem to be going out of your way to attack my character I feel the need to publicly “rebuke you”. We can look at past posts in this thread and posts on your site even go so far as to call you a hypocrite. Both you and Roaming Gnome stated that I should have remained silent, but it is OK for you to go off on people that “wrong your character”. I find it unbelievable you believe I should “remain silent” when you go off on my character? Oh Ye Hypocrite!!! And when I stand up for myself I am arrogant. You Rick, and Roaming Gnome others have proven one thing. I would never want to be a part of your sect, especially one who promotes verbal abuse. You by your example have a sub standard set of moral values in which you believe you are superior and want to put a muzzle on those that believe otherwise. How you must HATE the LDS. We all know what the Lord thinks of hypocrites.
Wer62
Baby Stated:
Baby said...
rick you are right....i forgot about that one. i did post here maybe 3 wks ago? it was just the verse john 3:16. nothing mean or rude. but i never found it on wer62 blog. i don't know why he would delete a verse.? i am hoping he did it by mistake then intentional.
7:06 PM
Wer62 Responds:
I have not deleted any comments that are just verses. It is not my way. I do however have to wonder since this is the first posting to the comments here that I am aware of (I get notified by e-mail and keep on of my notifications and can and will check) I noticed you posted as an anon type user. Perhaps you would be better served to get a "real" account here to post to avoid confusion of people possibly posting in your name. (Just some "friendly advice")
Wer62
Mindy,
Welcome back: You can check out my new blog posted earlier in this thread "Missing Comment Repository".
It is for people like you that can post your comment with a link to the discussion so that you can cut and paste it back into the comment section again quick and easy. Let me know if you need the link..
Wer62
Mindy,
Sorry to hear of your loss.. You have my condolences.
Wer62
thank you wer62 for commenting back. what i had posted was John 3:16:
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
i love this verse and just wanted to share it with you.
Baby Stated:
"thank you wer62 for commenting back. what i had posted was John 3:16:
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
i love this verse and just wanted to share it with you."
Wer62 Replies:
You are welcome. It is one of my favorites too.
Wer62
Ed since when are you a judge? You make your self a judge by making this "Missing Comment Repository". People are allowed to remove posts if they so choose. But you wont allow people to do that you make yourself out to be a judge over other peoples blogs. What if I just set up my blog and only allowed comments I wanted instead. That is a choice, to moderate the comments as I see fit. What then is the difference their.
No I dont have a guily conscience. And no I am not full of hate towards the LDS, I do hate the lies and decption of the LDS church though. As you will disagree Gal 1:8 is saying if anyone preaches another Gospel let them go to hell. Does this mean if you have a different Gospel, paul hates you. No? He hates the lies and decption. And yes LDS do lie and use decption Just as Christians do and have. I wont deny Christians are not perfect, they and we and me have made plenty of mistakes, But I can and have admited I have and do. Can or do the LDS?
Wer62: I use to respect they way you communicated. I use to respect the way that you stayed out of petty discussions. However, your actions on this blog in recent days have changed my mind. You are going down the same sad road as a lot of people. Making petty judgements and calling names. Perhaps you should step back and spend some time in prayer before you post further. I am concerned that you are losing your integrity.
Anon August 07, 2006 9:29 AM Stated: "I use to respect they way you communicated. I use to respect the way that you stayed out of petty discussions. However, your actions on this blog in recent days have changed my mind."
Wer62 Responds: I am sorry to disappoint you. I guess I am only human with failings just like everyone else. When my character gets attacked and a double standard is placed it does get to me especially in light of the other things going on in my life persoally. (ie. My Dad terminally ill, work restrictions making it to where I for 1 week in 5 only average 3 hours of sleep per night and not a continual 3 hour of sleep.) That stated it is not an excuse. I do believe Rick to be a hypocrite and can prove it based on his writtings. To your point I believe you would have me remain silent in this matter dispite what he says about me?.
Anon August 07, 2006 9:29 AM Stated: "You are going down the same sad road as a lot of people. Making petty judgements and calling names. Perhaps you should step back and spend some time in prayer before you post further. I am concerned that you are losing your integrity."
Wer62 Responds: First let me thank you for your concern on my integrity. It means a lot to me that you care. As for petty judgements. well, some yes some no. Yes - you are correct, I should not judge a whole religious sect based on one or two people. That stated someone calls me a liar I feel inclined to dispute that. I will take your advice and step back some to see if I can better myself. That does not change my perception of Rick and friends that have openly attacked my character.
Thank you,
Wer62
It is sad that character is being attacked. It would be better to spend time discussing the topics. However, sometimes you need to address labels or names that you feel are inappropriately thrown at you. I just think it is a good practice when attacked, to step back and pray before responding.
rick and Anonymous you are both hyrocrite and demented in thoughts! Ed, has not done anything wrong but rather a nice thing to make a blog on comment's rick that you delete without reason. you deleted my posting's and they said nothing wrong. im sure that other comment's you deleted from other commentor's were harmless as well. but you seem to read in between the lines and assume people are attacking you. you are so quick to anger and judge, I think in all fairness posting deleted comment's you have deleted is fair enough to post them, it gives the reader's a chance to read them. that's what a blog is you write people respond to you. but you deleting them people only get a one sided comment. that's not fair rick. i see you attacking Ed and other's . and i suppose you will probably say that im attacking you as well, but i am not, i am saying it like i see it.
hypocrite i mispelled it in my comment. (sorry)
comment to Mindy: I was communicating to Wer62(Ed). I believed that Ed has communicated very respectfully in the past and seemed to be straying slightly from that. I was merely offering a constructive critism that Ed seemed to receive in a VERY respectful way. That is the Ed that I am use to.
I would ask that you would stop your name calling. It is not needed and it diminishes your postings. I would also ask that you reread what I wrote. Ed has always been respectful to me and I have tried to do the same with him. By the way, my second posting was to make the point that attacking someones character adds little to no value.
Mindy....thank you for hearing me out. I don't mean this to come across in a disrespectful manner. I trust that it has not.
I would ask that you would stop your name calling. It is not needed and it diminishes your postings. I would also ask that you reread what I wrote. Ed has always been respectful to me and I have tried to do the same with him. By the way, my second posting was to make the point that attacking someones character adds little to no value. Anonymous, what name calling are you talking about? hypocrite? demented thoughts? those words aren't calling names, simply stated facts. rick b, yourself have called Ed hypocrite and many other thing's. and attacking his belief's as well. why come on as Anonymous, why hide behind a wall? or is it rick your wife maybe? your friend? why not use your real name>? if i wanted to call you or anyone else names i would and you would not like it. But i am older and i have left my elementary years behind me to act in such a form. all rick does is throw scriptures out of condemnation to Ed and all who are mormons. remember there is only one judge who condems and that is God himself. if you ar rick really care about winning souls for God, then i suggest you both get on your knees and pray for your neighbors, i bet they don't even know about God. witness to those who really don't know about him, rather then spending your time reading whos attacking who on blogs.
Ed..i pasted what Anonymous said in my last posting, i forgot to space it out.
Mindy: I think that you are referring to someone else that has posted anonymous. I have never called Ed a hypocrite. I am assuming that you are pointing your anger to someone else since I have never done any of the things that you accuse me of. Oh well, no big deal. We have all made mistakes.
Anonymous, anger ? no. it seems you must have problems reading and understanding what people write!Anonymous said...
Mindy: I think that you are referring to someone else that has posted anonymous. I have never called Ed a hypocrite. I am assuming that you are pointing your anger to someone else since I have never done any of the things that you accuse me of. Oh well, no big deal. We have all made mistakes.
this is what i said, i did Not say You said it!! I DID. mindy said...
rick and Anonymous you are both hyrocrite and demented in thoughts! Ed, has not done anything wrong but rather a nice thing to make a blog on comment's rick that you delete without reason. you deleted my posting's and they said nothing wrong. im sure that other comment's you deleted from other commentor's were harmless as well. but you seem to read in between the lines and assume people are attacking you. you are so quick to anger and judge, I think in all fairness posting deleted comment's you have deleted is fair enough to post them, it gives the reader's a chance to read them. that's what a blog is you write people respond to you. but you deleting them people only get a one sided comment. that's not fair rick. i see you attacking Ed and other's . and i suppose you will probably say that im attacking you as well, but i am not, i am saying it like i see it.
August 07, 2006 6:07 PM
Mindy, their is 6 different posts by Anonymous, the one that stated he never called Ed a hyprocite, could be telling the truth. Who are you to say he/she is lying, Are you a forencic scientest that can tell the difference between all 6. Boy you sure are quick to call down judgment with out being able to support the facts. Yet you claim others, like me do this. They have a name for people like yu, I think you used it a few times already. Rick b
rick b said...
Mindy, their is 6 different posts by Anonymous, the one that stated he never called Ed a hyprocite, could be telling the truth. Who are you to say he/she is lying, Are you a forencic scientest that can tell the difference between all 6. Boy you sure are quick to call down judgment with out being able to support the facts. Yet you claim others, like me do this. They have a name for people like yu, I think you used it a few times already. Rick b
August 08, 2006 8:07 PM
rick i am not an idiot who does not understand what i read, i responded to anonymous right after he/she posting. i will paste it again.
Anonymous said...
comment to Mindy: I was communicating to Wer62(Ed). I believed that Ed has communicated very respectfully in the past and seemed to be straying slightly from that. I was merely offering a constructive critism that Ed seemed to receive in a VERY respectful way. That is the Ed that I am use to.
I would ask that you would stop your name calling. It is not needed and it diminishes your postings. I would also ask that you reread what I wrote. Ed has always been respectful to me and I have tried to do the same with him. By the way, my second posting was to make the point that attacking someones character adds little to no value.
Mindy....thank you for hearing me out. I don't mean this to come across in a disrespectful manner. I trust that it has not.
August 07, 2006 7:30 PM
and this is what i responded back: mindy said...
I would ask that you would stop your name calling. It is not needed and it diminishes your postings. I would also ask that you reread what I wrote. Ed has always been respectful to me and I have tried to do the same with him. By the way, my second posting was to make the point that attacking someones character adds little to no value. Anonymous, what name calling are you talking about? hypocrite? demented thoughts? those words aren't calling names, simply stated facts. rick b, yourself have called Ed hypocrite and many other thing's. and attacking his belief's as well. why come on as Anonymous, why hide behind a wall? or is it rick your wife maybe? your friend? why not use your real name>? if i wanted to call you or anyone else names i would and you would not like it. But i am older and i have left my elementary years behind me to act in such a form. all rick does is throw scriptures out of condemnation to Ed and all who are mormons. remember there is only one judge who condems and that is God himself. if you ar rick really care about winning souls for God, then i suggest you both get on your knees and pray for your neighbors, i bet they don't even know about God. witness to those who really don't know about him, rather then spending your time reading whos attacking who on blogs.
August 07, 2006 10:39 PM
now rick this is what you responded: rick b said...
Mindy, their is 6 different posts by Anonymous, the one that stated he never called Ed a hyprocite, could be telling the truth. Who are you to say he/she is lying, Are you a forencic scientest that can tell the difference between all 6. Boy you sure are quick to call down judgment with out being able to support the facts. Yet you claim others, like me do this. They have a name for people like yu, I think you used it a few times already. Rick b
August 08, 2006 8:07 PM
Now answer me this, why would you be responding to ANONYMOUS? why would you care? i know who i responded to. i reckon your Anonymous. i answered to the right person.
and one more thing rick. i never said that anonymous called ED a hypocrite. this is what i said: read it!!! if you don't understand it or know how to read certain words, STOMP TWICE. i will then draw it for you. now here is what i said: mindy said...
Anonymous, anger ? no. it seems you must have problems reading and understanding what people write!Anonymous said...
Mindy: I think that you are referring to someone else that has posted anonymous. I have never called Ed a hypocrite. I am assuming that you are pointing your anger to someone else since I have never done any of the things that you accuse me of. Oh well, no big deal. We have all made mistakes.
this is what i said, i did Not say You said it!! I DID. mindy said...
rick and Anonymous you are both hyrocrite and demented in thoughts! Ed, has not done anything wrong but rather a nice thing to make a blog on comment's rick that you delete without reason. you deleted my posting's and they said nothing wrong. im sure that other comment's you deleted from other commentor's were harmless as well. but you seem to read in between the lines and assume people are attacking you. you are so quick to anger and judge, I think in all fairness posting deleted comment's you have deleted is fair enough to post them, it gives the reader's a chance to read them. that's what a blog is you write people respond to you. but you deleting them people only get a one sided comment. that's not fair rick. i see you attacking Ed and other's . and i suppose you will probably say that im attacking you as well, but i am not, i am saying it like i see it.
August 07, 2006 6:07 PM
August 08, 2006 3:55 PM
now let's DROP IT !!!!! it's done and over with. old story now. move on.out with the old in with the new. get it?
To Mindy: What I have asked is that you stop calling me a hypocrite when I have not said any of the things that you stated. If you cannot accept that, it is your issue.
I have no issue with the way that Ed is communicating with me. His response to me was respectful and I have honored that. If you have issue with some other person posting as anonymous, that is not my issue. I merely posted to communicate with Ed regarding some changes in his communications lately and suggested he step back a bit a communicate more calmly (Like he had in the past). He responded to my entry in a respectful manner....I respect that.
I did find it funny that you thought Rick B is the "annonymous" one posting. Since our writing style is so similar. (that was sarcasm in case you missed it).
Mindy...My discussions with you on this matter are finished......no futher discussion with you on this matter will occur from my side.
It is dropped.
hilarious, i write to rick b. anonymous answers. i write to anonymous and rick answers. hmmmmmmmm??? and ty. for dropping it ! much appreciated.
(that was sarcasm in case you missed it).
no hard feelings i hope? okay im off to packing.
i am sorry rick for being a loser. i know better now. please forgive me.
Mindy, Why is it, if I defended someone replying under Anonymous, then you accuse me of being that person. Since when did I ever not speak my mind? Ed claims he was my Good smartain by helping me out, you appluded him for that, yet I help someone out and you only accuse me of being that person. Like I said before, their is a name for someone like you, and you happen to use that name rather often. Rick b
mindy said...
no hard feelings i hope? okay im off to packing.
August 08, 2006 11:27 PM
Ed, i did not write this. i am leaving today in about 15 minutes. i am thank ful however that i checked in. i know now who is anonymous. thank you rick for proving that to me. i have nothing to be sorry about to Ed, rick. he knows that. now Ed. i will be back on Saturday for sure. and to answer your question on skiing, Ilove IT! can't wait. you know Ed, we should exchange emails ? just when something like this occurs. you will have my posting before anyone else does. if you continue getting a posting from me this week. delete it. as i won't be on until saturday late. i don't have access to a computer before then. okay gotta run now. blessings to you and your family in many ways shape and form.
mindy said...
i am sorry rick for being a loser. i know better now. please forgive me.
August 09, 2006 4:23 AM
Ed, sorry this is what i did not write to you! i pasted the wrong one on my comment.
Mindy you just keep on believing Lies, I am not the Anonymous poster as much as you want to believe that. But those who love lies and tell them will be cast into hell as the Bible states. Rick b
Mindy,
My profile has my e-mail, you can look it up. Also there is a MSN group in the description at the top of the main Blogger page that is one of a few MSN groups I run.
Feel free to write me at either place.
Wer62
Rick States:
"But those who love lies and tell them will be cast into hell as the Bible states."
Wer62 Responds:
Rick these are good words to follow and I agree with the statement. Would you like to follow your own advice?
Wer62
Anon August 08, 2006 11:02 PM Stated:
" have no issue with the way that Ed is communicating with me. His response to me was respectful and I have honored that."
Wer62 Responds:
Thank you...
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